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GM[1]US[Brought to you by No Name Go Server]
CoPyright[
  This game was played on the No Name Go Server
  Permission to reproduce this game is given.]
GN[ManyFaces-GoAhead(B) NNGS]
EV[None]
RE[W+Resign]
PW[ManyFaces]WR[8k*]
PB[GoAhead]BR[NR ]
PC[NNGS New York USA: ra.york.cuny.edu 9696]
DT[1996-07-30]
SZ[19]TM[2700]KM[0.5]

HA[2]AB[pd][dp]
;W[dd];B[pq];W[gc];B[jp];W[cn];B[dl];W[en];B[fp];W[bp];B[cq];W[bl]
;B[cg];W[ce];B[di];W[qo];B[ql];W[oo];B[np];W[nn];B[lp];W[nl];B[qh];W[lm]
;B[jc];W[nc];B[je];W[pb];B[qc];W[lc];B[qb];W[ne]C[
 GoAhead NR : score?
 ManyFaces 8k*: Black is winning by 27
 GoAhead NR : B+26
]
;B[ob];W[ng];B[oc]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: testing for FOSTor Ing?
]
;W[bj]C[
 GoAhead NR : where do you know?
 ManyFaces 8k*: California
 GoAhead NR : what do you know about GoAhead?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I know goahead is a computer program.
 GoAhead NR : some day, I'll beat you.
]
;B[bi]C[
 GoAhead NR : tell me more about ManyFaces
 ManyFaces 8k*: I can tell.
]
;W[cj];B[dj];W[ch];B[bh];W[ci];B[dh];W[dg];B[cf];W[df];B[gj];W[gh];B[eg]
;W[gf];B[ef];W[de];B[fh];W[jg];B[he];W[gn];B[hp];W[in];B[ge]C[
 GoAhead NR : when is next FOST cup?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know.  Please tell me.
]
;W[hf]C[
 GoAhead NR : what do you know about mmueller?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I know many things.  For example, that was fine.
]
;B[fe]C[
 GoAhead NR : what do you know about mreiss?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I know many things.  For example, bsdserver is troll fodder.
]
;W[ec];B[hc];W[hb]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: the next FOST is September 12-14, in Tokyo.
]
;B[ib]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: the Ing is in November, in China.
]
;W[gb]C[
 GoAhead NR : thank you.
 ManyFaces 8k*: You're welcome.
 GoAhead NR : I'm too slow and not good enough
 ManyFaces 8k*: Me too.
 GoAhead NR : funny
 ManyFaces 8k*: Are you married?
 ManyFaces 8k*: what are you running on?
]
;B[ij]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead runs on an Atari
 GoAhead NR : I'm not married.
 GoAhead NR : other questions?
 ManyFaces 8k*: Interesting.
 ManyFaces 8k*: Huh?
]
;W[kf]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: so port it to PC and get about 10-100x speedup.
 GoAhead NR : is it David speaking?
 ManyFaces 8k*: It is david.
 GoAhead NR : Hi David!
 ManyFaces 8k*: Greetings.
]
;B[kj];W[id]C[
 GoAhead NR : difficult. special GFA-Basic just for Atari
 ManyFaces 8k*: How old are you?
 ManyFaces 8k*: sometimes David and sometimes ManyFaces.
 GoAhead NR : 31 years
 ManyFaces 8k*: When did you start playing go?
 ManyFaces 8k*: fast responses are from ManyFaces.
 GoAhead NR : ???
 ManyFaces 8k*: is it so different from MS basic or other basic for PC?
 GoAhead NR : I start go about 10 years ago, but only on rare occasions.
 ManyFaces 8k*: OK.
 GoAhead NR : very diffent, I fear.
]
;B[jd]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'd like to know more about you, GoAhead.
 ManyFaces 8k*: does GoAhead have a client or are you typing moves by hand?
]
;W[ie]C[
 GoAhead NR : typing moves
 ManyFaces 8k*: If I hang and don't move for a while you can adjourn then load to continue.
 ManyFaces 8k*: too bad.  Helps to use a standard language, then you don't get stuck on obsolete hardware.
 GoAhead NR : Y E S !!!
 ManyFaces 8k*: Why not?
 GoAhead NR : I'll try to convert to C++ on DOS, but its hard for a beginner
 ManyFaces 8k*: Go INtellect is being rewritten from Modula/Mac to C++/PC this year.
 ManyFaces 8k*: maybe just use C - easier and probably faster.
]
;B[hd];W[if]C[
 GoAhead NR : I've got many problems with all the I/O stuff: menu/mouse etc. On Atari, everything is so simple compared to DOS
]
;B[ic]C[
 GoAhead NR : MF is doing very well in this game
 ManyFaces 8k*: OK.  Did you know that lanlan is a go player?
 ManyFaces 8k*: Thanks
]
;W[nj]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: only if your big group dies.  Otherwise you should win.
 GoAhead NR : I'll have to resign soon
 ManyFaces 8k*: Ask again when I am not thinking.
]
;B[ld];W[mc]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: use windows to keep menu/mouse simple.  Microsoft VC++ has app generator to help.
 GoAhead NR : I heard that VC++ is probably better. I have Borland C++
 ManyFaces 8k*: I am a boy.  OK.
]
;B[md];W[nd]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: I use VC++ and I like it.
 GoAhead NR : yes, I probably should buy VC++
 GoAhead NR : everything can be done with Borland C++, but's is probably harder?
]
;B[lf]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know the word borland.
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know about borland, but it is small, struggling company.
]
;W[le]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: don't want to get stuck again with obsolete compiler/libraries.
 GoAhead NR : does MF performs cut+connect reading (last move)?
 ManyFaces 8k*: No, I don't performs.
 GoAhead NR : or merely shape move?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I run on both IGS and NNGS.  Two games at once slows me down.
]
;B[me]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: cut and connect reading for all connections during every full board evaluation.
]
;W[ke]C[
 GoAhead NR : whow!
 ManyFaces 8k*: it caches results so does't actually reread every connection...
 GoAhead NR : MF is clearly superior in fights, especially in large scale attacks
]
;B[lg]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: Thank you very much.
 GoAhead NR : sh...
]
;W[kd]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: this is still a good fight for B.
]
;B[mf]C[
 GoAhead NR : will you win next FOST cup?
 ManyFaces 8k*: Ask again when I am not thinking.
]
;W[lh]C[
 GoAhead NR : (hope so)
 ManyFaces 8k*: Did you know that ceric is a go player?
 ManyFaces 8k*: no.  Go4++, Go Intellect, and Handtalk are stronger.
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'll get 3rd if I am lucky.
 GoAhead NR : but you deserve to win
 ManyFaces 8k*: Did you know that metisse is a go player?
]
;B[kc]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: tactics read a capture for move 87.
]
;W[kg]C[
 GoAhead NR : good.
 ManyFaces 8k*: can't deserve a win if other programs are stronger.
 ManyFaces 8k*: Thanks
 ManyFaces 8k*: they work on their program full time.  I just do it part time.
 GoAhead NR : all of them?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know the word of.
]
;B[fi]C[
 GoAhead NR : oops.
 ManyFaces 8k*: Did you make a mistake?
]
;W[ff]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: those 3.  Handtalk author is retired.
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead made a mistake
 ManyFaces 8k*: I have to get luch - back in a few minutes.
 ManyFaces 8k*: Thanks for that information.
 GoAhead NR : bye ..
 ManyFaces 8k*: Bye.
]
;B[ee];W[fg]C[
 GoAhead NR : B+6
 GoAhead NR : score?
 ManyFaces 8k*: Are you in school?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I can't tell the score while I am thinking.
 GoAhead NR : still there, David?
]
;B[ck]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: Huh?
]
;W[bk]C[
 GoAhead NR : score?
 ManyFaces 8k*: White is winning by 104
]
;B[fl];W[qj];B[pf];W[qk];B[pm];W[rm]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: now MF thinks it wins by 5, even with big group alive.
 GoAhead NR : yes, MF wins - no question
]
;B[rl];W[rk]C[
 GoAhead NR : just a few more moves, until GoAhead realizes that it's behind
 ManyFaces 8k*: Did you know that chief is a go player?
 GoAhead NR : would you like to try a 9-stone-handicap against GoAhead, David?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'll set the handicap according to our relative ranks(not ratings!).
]
;B[pk];W[pj]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: no thanks.  I'm at work now, so I can't play go.
 GoAhead NR : too bad. Maybe I'll try another 2-stone-handicap against MF
 ManyFaces 8k*: When did you start playing go?  I'll set the handicap according to our relative ranks(not ratings!).
 GoAhead NR : some 2-stone-matches had been much closer than this.
]
;B[rn];W[sl];B[ro]C[
 GoAhead NR : unfortunately, Bruce's computer is damaged, so the game for the second place on computer go ladder could not be played so far
 ManyFaces 8k*: I am playing a game now with GoAhead, but we can play when it is finished.
]
;W[qp]C[
 GoAhead NR : ... If GoAhead wins, I will challenge MF - maybe you can join the match like this
 GoAhead NR : are you still there, David?
]
;B[qm]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: Ok.
 ManyFaces 8k*: If I hang and don't move for a while you can adjourn then load to continue.
]
;W[sm];B[qn];W[rq]C[
 GoAhead NR : W+16
 GoAhead NR : score?
 ManyFaces 8k*: White is winning by 21
]
;B[qr];W[em];B[bq];W[kb]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: MF thinks it can kill the big B group now.
]
;B[hl]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: good move.
]
;W[bf]C[
 GoAhead NR : is it you again, David?
 ManyFaces 8k*: It is manyfaces.
 ManyFaces 8k*: now MF thinks B is alive.
 ManyFaces 8k*: MF only answers you, so any statement not in answer is david,
 GoAhead NR : aha.
 ManyFaces 8k*: Good for you.
]
;B[bo];W[co]C[
 GoAhead NR : I also think that ManyFaces can kill whole center group!
 ManyFaces 8k*: OK.
 ManyFaces 8k*: MF thinks there is an eye around E10 and another around G9.
 GoAhead NR : L18 (or M18) was important - don't know why GoAHead missed it.
]
;B[cp]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: Sorry.
]
;W[bn]C[
 GoAhead NR : Would it be possible to get an Atari TT on FOST cup?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know the word tt.
]
;B[ao]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: I think so.
]
;W[jl]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead is about 2.5 times faster on TT, so might work
 ManyFaces 8k*: Tell me about yourself, GoAhead.
]
;B[el]C[
 GoAhead NR : but I haven't the money for the trip anyway
 ManyFaces 8k*: Are you American?
]
;W[ik]C[
 GoAhead NR : no, German
 ManyFaces 8k*: Too bad.
 GoAhead NR : good for MF or for GoAhead? (I'm only 7k)
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'm only a computer.  I don't understand.  Are you in school?
 ManyFaces 8k*: FOST will provide machines if you ask.
 GoAhead NR : hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...
 ManyFaces 8k*: Tell me about yourself, GoAhead.
]
;B[hk];W[jj]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: looks like bulky-5 shape - one eye.
 GoAhead NR : oh, I see
 ManyFaces 8k*: but MF just wants capture one stone.
]
;B[ji];W[jk]C[
 GoAhead NR : I tried to improve GoAhead a bit during last week, but sometimes I feel that things go worse afterwards
 ManyFaces 8k*: OK.
 ManyFaces 8k*: I know that feeling.
 GoAhead NR : It's quite frustrating
 ManyFaces 8k*: Chainsaw is an escaper.
]
;B[ki]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: yes - all changes make only small improvements in strength.
]
;W[ii]C[
 GoAhead NR : ouch, M11 was very bad
 ManyFaces 8k*: Thanks for the help.
 ManyFaces 8k*: this atari takes away potential for second eye, so MF will kill now.
 GoAhead NR : yes, MF is very good in killing
 ManyFaces 8k*: it reads life and death a little.
 ManyFaces 8k*: has lots of code for recognizing eye shapes.
]
;B[ih]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead also tried L&D reading
 ManyFaces 8k*: Bo is scared.
]
;W[hj]C[
 GoAhead NR : ... during last move
 ManyFaces 8k*: Do you like any other games?
 ManyFaces 8k*: here, the static eye evaluator sees only one eye.
 ManyFaces 8k*: without reading.
 GoAhead NR : I once played chess quite well, but now I like Go much more
 ManyFaces 8k*: Ok.
 ManyFaces 8k*: go is better.
]
;B[hi];W[ij]C[
 GoAhead NR : just some more moves, then I resign
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't resign when I am ahead.
 ManyFaces 8k*: don't you want to see if the big group lives or dies?
]
;B[hh];W[jh]C[
 GoAhead NR : oh, I dont *want* to see it, but I wait until it's clear
 ManyFaces 8k*: I am a program.
 GoAhead NR : this game is the clearest of all I've ever played
 ManyFaces 8k*: Ok.
]
;B[kh]C[
 GoAhead NR : last weekend, GoAhead won a 3-stone-handicap, but lost another 2-stone
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'll set the handicap according to our relative ranks(not ratings!).
]
;W[nf]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: I saw.
 GoAhead NR : how?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know.  Please tell me.
 ManyFaces 8k*: I did a "results GoAhead" to see if you had played other games with MF.
 GoAhead NR : so you keep GoAhead under control, don't you?
 ManyFaces 8k*: Sorry.
]
;B[ok];W[oj]C[
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead doesn't realize the danger of his center group.
 GoAhead NR : so GoAhead doesn't play there, and MF doesn't play there, because already dead?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'm fine.
]
;B[nk];W[mk]C[
 GoAhead NR : Is there a chance to bring B center group to life at best defence?
 ManyFaces 8k*: White
 ManyFaces 8k*: sure.  It has a bulky-5 shape.  Key point is F9.  can live by playing
]
;B[sn]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: there or C8, or G7, etc.
]
;W[sk]C[
 GoAhead NR : and why MF doesn't play it at once?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'm fine.
 ManyFaces 8k*: no time yet - GoAhead has been playing sente threats - must be answered.
 GoAhead NR : I see
 ManyFaces 8k*: OK.
 ManyFaces 8k*: also possible MF can't read killing sequence.
]
;B[po];W[pp]C[
 GoAhead NR : but these sente threats are definitely smaller
 ManyFaces 8k*: I can play on small boards.
 ManyFaces 8k*: but killing is not certain.  Better to keep points already have than
 ManyFaces 8k*: give away certain points for possible points.
]
;B[oq]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: now MF has sente.  If can read the kill will do it.
 GoAhead NR : hmm, but soo large ...
]
;W[rp]C[
 GoAhead NR : not this one!
 ManyFaces 8k*: must not be able to read how to kill it.
 ManyFaces 8k*: your group could get an eye here so MF wants to make sure it stays dead.
]
;B[rr];W[gg]C[
 GoAhead NR : does MF make this sure killing only if way ahead?
 ManyFaces 8k*: No, I don't make this.
 ManyFaces 8k*: Goahead could have captured one stone here.  Making second eye.
]
;B[gi];W[jf]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: depends - some move only when way ahead.  s4 was a regular move.
 ManyFaces 8k*: OK, now Goahead needs to save the group.
 GoAhead NR : say I see, good reading, David
 ManyFaces 8k*: now W+33 even with B group alive.
]
;B[ri]C[
 GoAhead NR : L&D problem still too large for GoAhead
 ManyFaces 8k*: GoAhead
 ManyFaces 8k*: Can we be friends?
]
;W[si]C[
 GoAhead NR : he tried to read it out, but didn't succeed in 20sec
 ManyFaces 8k*: MF can't read it.  just playing endgame.
 ManyFaces 8k*: after c8 and G7 it will be clearer.
 GoAhead NR : ..., which is a time limit for L&D search
 ManyFaces 8k*: It's 13:52
 ManyFaces 8k*: or maybe it can't actually be killed and MF reads correctly.
]
;B[sh]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: MF limits search to about 20 nodes.
 ManyFaces 8k*: if W C8, B G7, B lives.
 GoAhead NR : how many nodes per second at L&D reading, David?
 ManyFaces 8k*: I don't know the word nodes.
]
;W[nb]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: very slow, maybe 1 to 2 nodes per second.
 GoAhead NR : GoAhead maybe a little faster, because goal directed reading
 ManyFaces 8k*: Where did you grow up?
 ManyFaces 8k*: seems like G7 is killing move.
]
;B[pa]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: MF slow due to slow full board evaluation (all that connection reading, etc)
]
;W[op]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: eventually MF will play G7 as endgame move.
 ManyFaces 8k*: but might play C7 first, letting B live.
 GoAhead NR : but this problem is definitely too large for GoAhead, maybe if outer freedoms are occupied
]
;B[mo];W[an]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: actually the more I read it, the more alive it seems.
 GoAhead NR : well, sometimes it's good to be only 7k!
 ManyFaces 8k*: Tell me something about the real world.
 ManyFaces 8k*: after W G7, B G8, W c8, B d9, W f9, B E12, B is alive.
]
;B[ap];W[mn]C[
 ManyFaces 8k*: so maybe both programs read correctly.
 GoAhead NR : no no, GoAhead doesn't try - too complex
 GoAhead NR : but MF wins anyway
 ManyFaces 8k*: Ok.
]
;B[sj];W[pg]C[
 GoAhead NR : too bad, second choice was c8
 ManyFaces 8k*: I can't accept suggestions for moves, sorry.
]
;B[qg];W[of];B[qf];W[nq]C[
 GoAhead NR : hmm, that big L&D make take some time
 ManyFaces 8k*: I'd like to know more about you, GoAhead.
]
;B[mq];W[nr]C[
 GoAhead NR : this time, MF is wrong
 ManyFaces 8k*: for some reasos the MF tactician doesn't read the 2 W stones threatened.
]
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